Hall of Stats vs. Hall of 100

Dec 12, 2012 by Adam Darowski

On Tuesday, ESPN announced their Hall of 100, another alternate Hall of Fame. The Hall of 100 ranks the top (of course) 100 players of all time, as chosen by ESPN’s “panel of 30-plus experts”. In the published methodology (it’s a good sign that there’s a published methodology), voters are asked to:

The ballot contains those top 150 hitters and 150 pitchers ranked by GAR, or Greatness Above Replacement. I’d never seen GAR before, but it is “a combination of career and peak wins above replacement”. So, it uses pretty much the same approach I use with Hall Rating and Jay Jaffe does with JAWS.

I thought it would be interesting to see how the Hall of 100 differs from the Hall of Stats Top 100.

Honorable Mentions

The Hall of 100 came with 25 Honorable mentions, or the Top 25 players not included. This led to some good discussion about potential snubs.

Rank Hall of Stats Hall of 100
125 Bob Feller Roy Campanella
124 Fred Clarke Arky Vaughan
123 David Cone Don Drysdale
122 Tim Raines Edgar Martinez
121 Luis Tiant Ed Delahanty
120 Dazzy Vance Billy Williams
119 Manny Ramirez Rube Waddell
118 Carlos Beltran Lou Boudreau
117 Derek Jeter Sam Crawford
116 Joe Jackson Dennis Eckersley
115 Duke Snider Tim Keefe
114 Ryne Sandberg George Sisler
113 Al Simmons Bill Dickey
112 Kenny Lofton Ryne Sandberg
111 Jim McCormick Pud Galvin
110 Ed Walsh Harry Heilmann
109 Lou Boudreau Don Sutton
108 Billy Hamilton Jim Palmer
107 Tommy Bond Johnny Mize
106 Sam Crawford Whitey Ford
105 Amos Rusie Curt Schilling
104 Edgar Martinez Dave Winfield
103 Jim Thome Eddie Plank
102 Rick Reuschel Joe Jackson
101 Jack Glasscock Luke Appling

The Top 100

And here’s the meat of it—the Top 100 of each.

Rank Hall of Stats Hall of 100
100 Yogi Berra Phil Niekro
99 John Smoltz Al Simmons
98 Harry Heilmann Joe Cronin
97 Carl Hubbell Ron Santo
96 Kevin Brown Tim Raines
95 Frank Thomas Sammy Sosa
94 Pud Galvin Jim Thome
93 Frankie Frisch Tom Glavine
92 Ron Santo Roy Halladay
91 Paul Waner Paul Waner
90 Roy Halladay Craig Biggio
89 Old Hoss Radbourn Jim Palmer
88 Bobby Grich Cap Anson
87 Paul Molitor Frankie Frisch
86 Nolan Ryan Gary Carter
85 Robin Yount Manny Ramirez
84 Scott Rolen Willie Stargell
83 Alan Trammell Mark McGwire
82 Reggie Jackson Kid Nichols
81 Lou Whitaker Duke Snider
80 Barry Larkin Charlie Gehringer
79 Bill Dahlen Robin Roberts
78 Bobby Wallace Mike Piazza
77 Johnny Mize Paul Molitor
76 Luke Appling Carlton Fisk
75 Mike Piazza John Smoltz
74 Brooks Robinson Barry Larkin
73 Ozzie Smith Roberto Alomar
72 Tom Glavine Bert Blyleven
71 Ed Delahanty Ivan Rodriguez
70 Ivan Rodriguez Juan Marichal
69 Pete Rose Frank Thomas
68 Larry Walker Jeff Bagwell
67 Arky Vaughan Mariano Rivera
66 Robin Roberts Gaylord Perry
65 Fergie Jenkins Eddie Murray
64 Carlton Fisk Harmon Killebrew
63 Rod Carew Hank Greenberg
62 Charlie Gehringer Fergie Jenkins
61 Steve Carlton Tony Gwynn
60 Mike Mussina Ozzie Smith
59 John Clarkson Bob Feller
58 Jeff Bagwell Robin Yount
57 Gary Carter Willie McCovey
56 George Davis Yogi Berra
55 Joe DiMaggio Reggie Jackson
54 Gaylord Perry Wade Boggs
53 Eddie Plank Rod Carew
52 Bob Gibson Jackie Robinson
51 Chipper Jones Ernie Banks
50 Ken Griffey Pete Alexander
49 Curt Schilling Chipper Jones
48 Tim Keefe Nap Lajoie
47 Warren Spahn Lefty Grove
46 George Brett Al Kaline
45 Dan Brouthers Warren Spahn
44 Johnny Bench Sandy Koufax
43 Carl Yastrzemski Brooks Robinson
42 Roger Connor Eddie Collins
41 Phil Niekro Pedro Martinez
40 Al Kaline Carl Yastrzemski
39 Bert Blyleven Eddie Mathews
38 Wade Boggs Derek Jeter
37 Cal Ripken Pete Rose
36 Pedro Martinez Mel Ott
35 Roberto Clemente Nolan Ryan
34 Eddie Mathews Ken Griffey
33 Albert Pujols Roberto Clemente
32 Joe Morgan Bob Gibson
31 Jimmie Foxx Cal Ripken
30 Christy Mathewson George Brett
29 Frank Robinson Christy Mathewson
28 Randy Johnson Jimmie Foxx
27 Cap Anson Johnny Bench
26 Tom Seaver Steve Carlton
25 Greg Maddux Tris Speaker
24 Nap Lajoie Tom Seaver
23 Mike Schmidt Randy Johnson
22 Mel Ott Frank Robinson
21 Rickey Henderson Joe DiMaggio
20 Lefty Grove Joe Morgan
19 Mickey Mantle Albert Pujols
18 Kid Nichols Alex Rodriguez
17 Lou Gehrig Cy Young
16 Alex Rodriguez Mike Schmidt
15 Pete Alexander Rogers Hornsby
14 Eddie Collins Rickey Henderson
13 Stan Musial Greg Maddux
12 Tris Speaker Walter Johnson
11 Ted Williams Lou Gehrig
10 Honus Wagner Honus Wagner
9 Rogers Hornsby Mickey Mantle
8 Roger Clemens Stan Musial
7 Hank Aaron Roger Clemens
6 Ty Cobb Ty Cobb
5 Walter Johnson Hank Aaron
4 Willie Mays Ted Williams
3 Cy Young Barry Bonds
2 Barry Bonds Willie Mays
1 Babe Ruth Babe Ruth

The Differences (So Far)

#76–125

Here are the differences for the players appearing both lists so far. The top three names are 19th century players—no big surprise. I can understand Tim Keefe being a bit underrated. Kid Nichols is a bit more problematic. But Cap Anson? #88? Really? How is that even possible?

The first modern players are Phil Niekro (who I believe may be the most underrated pitcher ever… except for maybe Rick Reuschel) and Arky Vaughan, who is mentioned by Jayson Stark as an egregious snub. Curt Schilling is also underrated on this list. Stark was surprised that Gary Carter ranked so highly while Bill Dickey didn’t. By Hall Rating, Carter actually appeared much higher.

Duke Snider and Manny Ramirez are tied for the most overrated so far. Then, surprisingly, it’s Tim Raines. It’s nice to see Raines rank so highly on the Hall of 100, but the truth is WAR isn’t in love with him. Raines has been in the news a lot, so I’m guessing that influenced this a bit.

#26–75

We’ve got some new additions to the bottom of the list (meaning players who are perhaps overrated by the Hall of 100). Derek Jeter now takes the top “honor”, as he places 38th on the Hall of 100 and just 117th on the Hall of Stats (a 79 slot difference). Bob Feller is right behind him, but I have to think that’s because the Hall of 100 voters were giving him credit for time lost to World War II. Then it’s Nolan Ryan. I love Ryan, but the 51-slot difference is not much of a surprise. I was surprised to see Steve Carlton at #26. The Hall of Stats has him at 61. Basically you can flip-flop him with Bert Blyleven in the two systems. The Hall of Stats has Blyleven at #39 while the Hall of 100 has him at #73.

#1–25

Huge surprise—Babe Ruth ended up being #1. We agree on those. We also agree exactly on Ty Cobb and Honus Wagner (as well as Paul Waner). I think that Cy Young and Walter Johnson rated way too low on the Hall of 100. Joe DiMaggio is a player in the Hall of 100’s Top 25 that rated much lower for me. Of course, that has a lot to do with time missed to World War II. It turns out that voters did factor that in, quite a bit.

Here are all the differences:

Player HO100 Rank HOS Rank Difference
Tim Keefe 115 48 67
Kid Nichols 82 18 64
Cap Anson 88 27 61
Phil Niekro 100 41 59
Arky Vaughan 124 67 57
Curt Schilling 105 49 56
Ed Delahanty 121 71 50
Eddie Plank 103 53 50
Pete Alexander 50 15 35
Bert Blyleven 72 39 33
Johnny Mize 107 77 30
Gary Carter 86 57 29
Eddie Collins 42 14 28
Lefty Grove 47 20 27
Luke Appling 101 76 25
Nap Lajoie 48 24 24
Tom Glavine 93 72 21
Edgar Martinez 122 104 18
Charlie Gehringer 80 62 18
Pud Galvin 111 94 17
Wade Boggs 54 38 16
Mel Ott 36 22 14
Cy Young 17 3 14
Robin Roberts 79 66 13
Tris Speaker 25 12 13
Harry Heilmann 110 98 12
Carlton Fisk 76 64 12
Gaylord Perry 66 54 12
Sam Crawford 117 106 11
Jeff Bagwell 68 58 10
Lou Boudreau 118 109 9
Walter Johnson 12 5 7
Al Kaline 46 40 6
Rogers Hornsby 15 9 6
Ron Santo 97 92 5
Pedro Martinez 41 36 5
Eddie Mathews 39 34 5
Mike Piazza 78 75 3
Roy Halladay 92 90 2
Alex Rodriguez 18 16 2
Ivan Rodriguez 71 70 1
Barry Bonds 3 2 1
Paul Waner 91 91 0
Honus Wagner 10 10 0
Ty Cobb 6 6 0
Babe Ruth 1 1 0
Roger Clemens 7 8 -1
Christy Mathewson 29 30 -1
Ryne Sandberg 112 114 -2
Chipper Jones 49 51 -2
Warren Spahn 45 47 -2
Roberto Clemente 33 35 -2
Tom Seaver 24 26 -2
Hank Aaron 5 7 -2
Willie Mays 2 4 -2
Fergie Jenkins 62 65 -3
Carl Yastrzemski 40 43 -3
Jimmie Foxx 28 31 -3
Eddie Mathews 29 34 -5
Randy Johnson 23 28 -5
Stan Musial 8 13 -5
Frankie Frisch 87 93 -6
Barry Larkin 74 80 -6
Cal Ripken 31 37 -6
Lou Gehrig 11 17 -6
Frank Robinson 22 29 -7
Mike Schmidt 16 23 -7
Rickey Henderson 14 21 -7
Ted Williams 4 11 -7
Jim Thome 94 103 -9
Paul Molitor 77 87 -10
Rod Carew 53 63 -10
Mickey Mantle 9 19 -10
Joe Morgan 20 32 -12
Greg Maddux 13 25 -12
Ozzie Smith 60 73 -13
Joe Jackson 102 116 -14
Al Simmons 99 113 -14
Albert Pujols 19 33 -14
Ken Griffey 34 50 -16
George Brett 30 46 -16
Johnny Bench 27 44 -17
Bob Gibson 32 52 -20
John Smoltz 75 99 -24
Tim Raines 96 122 -26
Frank Thomas 69 95 -26
Robin Yount 58 85 -27
Reggie Jackson 55 82 -27
Brooks Robinson 43 74 -31
Pete Rose 37 69 -32
Manny Ramirez 85 119 -34
Duke Snider 81 115 -34
Joe DiMaggio 21 55 -34
Steve Carlton 26 61 -35
Yogi Berra 56 100 -44
Nolan Ryan 35 86 -51
Bob Feller 59 125 -66
Derek Jeter 38 117 -79

Here are the players who appeared on the Hall of 100 (with their ranking) who did not appear on the Hall of Stats Top 125.

Sandy Koufax is the standout here. He’s actually near the bottom of the Hall of Stats, but the difference between his actual value and perceived historical ranking is well documented. It bugs me that Jackie Robinson didn’t quite make the Hall of Stats Top 125. Of course, that's because of all time he missed because of the color line.

Here are the players who appeared on the Hall of Stats Top 125, but not in the Hall of 100.

Old timers stand out here, with Roger Connor, Dan Brouthers, George Davis, and John Clarkson topping the list with several more behind them. Other than that, it seems that modern players are the most underrated, with Mike Mussina, Larry Walker, Lou Whitaker, and Alan Trammell ranking highly. No wonder they’re not getting inducted—people don’t even realize they are Top 100 players (and in many cases, much higher).

Oh, and my list has Old Hoss. Take that.

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